New to practice and facing contract negotiations? Dr. Anesia Allen joins Dr. Lee Sharma to share how she confidently negotiated her role as a rural family physician, built a patient-centered team, and leveraged mentorship to thrive in her first year.
Stepping into practice as a young physician can be daunting, especially when it comes to negotiating contracts and building a team in a rural setting. In this episode, Dr. Lee Sharma welcomes Dr. Anesia Allen, to discuss how she navigated these challenges with confidence and clarity. Dr. Allen shares her journey of negotiating her first contract, securing key terms like protected time off, and ensuring her team aligned with the community’s needs.
From working with a medical contract attorney to drawing on mentorship and her experiences as an Auburn cheerleader, she offers practical strategies for young physicians to advocate for themselves and their patients. This episode is essential listening for medical students, residents, and early-career physicians looking to establish their practice with purpose.
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About the Show:
Behind every procedure, every patient encounter, lies an untold story of conflict and negotiation. Scalpel and Sword, hosted by Dr. Lee Sharma—physician, mediator, and guide—invites listeners into the unseen battles and breakthroughs of modern medicine. With real conversations, human stories, and practical tools, this podcast empowers physicians to reclaim their voices, sharpen their skills, and wield their healing power with both precision and purpose.
About the Guest:
Dr. Anesia Allen is a family medicine physician practicing at a medical and dental clinic in Lynette, Alabama, a rural community where she serves as a primary care provider. A graduate of Auburn University, where she was a cheerleader, and the Edward Via College of Osteopathic Medicine, she completed her family medicine residency at Cahaba Heights in Birmingham, Alabama. During her internship, she received a scholarship from the Board of Medical Examiners for a rural health program, reflecting her commitment to underserved areas. Dr. Allen’s early career has been marked by her ability to negotiate confidently, drawing on mentorship from Dr. Lee Sharma and lessons from her cheerleading experience, where she learned perseverance and teamwork after not making the team on her first try. Passionate about community-focused care, she actively builds teams that connect with local patients and mentors peers navigating contract negotiations.
Website: https://www.medifind.com/doctors/anesia-g-allen/257401986
LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/anesia-allen-b25096287
About the Host:
Dr. Lee Sharma – A gynecologist in Auburn, AL, with a master’s degree in conflict resolution and over 30 years of experience in the medical field. She graduated from University of Alabama at Birmingham in 1993. A physician passionate about helping colleagues address conflicts and thrive in medicine through practical strategies and open conversations.
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Speaker: [00:00:00] Welcome my peaceful warriors. Welcome to the Scalpel and Sword Podcast. I am your host, Dr. Lee Sharma, physician and conflict analyst, and I am so thrilled to have on the podcast today, Dr. Anisha Allen. Dr. Allen is a graduate of Auburn University and the Edward via College of Osteopathic Medicine. She completed her residency in family medicine at Cahaba Heights in Birmingham, Alabama.
In her first year of internship, she received a scholarship from the Board of Medical Examiners for a rural health program, and she is now currently working in Lynette, Alabama as a primary care. Practitioner. She is an amazing human being and I am thrilled to have her on the podcast today. So welcome Dr.
Allen. Thank you. Thanks for having me. So full disclosure, I have known Anisha since she was a fourth year medical student. She did a rotation with me and I think it was like July, like your. Like the first month of your fourth year, I think we were together and just [00:01:00] phenomenal as a student to just, the patients really connected with you.
And so this was a mentor relationship that I think formed very early and we have really been able to sustain it, which has been a blessing to me for sure. And it's been a pleasure to watch you evolve in your career, but one of the fun things about having mentees is if you maintain that connection, it's just such a great relationship to foster. I think having young physicians in your life keeps you so excited and engaged in the practice of medicine. And hopefully if you've got some experience, you can offer that to a mentee as well. But Anisha and my nurse and I had dinner, what, a couple of months ago I think we had.
Yeah. Got together and had dinner and. One of the things that you shared that I loved so much is that very early in your career, basically being in a brand new place, setting up this practice, you had to negotiate to have the right people on your team to see [00:02:00] patients, right? Yes, I did. So tell us about that.
How, what happened and why did you feel like you had to really actively engage and negotiate to get what you needed to see patients?
Speaker 2: For sure. Obviously in medicine, I. You can only go as far as your team. And so for me I originally started off with the nurse. And unfortunately she had to move.
And so at that point, early in, in my career and early in starring at the location that I'm currently at, I had to essentially. Engage in actively trying to help with that process of finding someone that would fit with the team our clinic, that I currently work at, we have two sides.
So we have a medical side, we have a dental side. And at the time that I started back in September, there were quite a few transitionings happening. And for me I was not only starting as a new provider, [00:03:00] but I also want to like, focus on patient care and being able to care for my patients well.
But I also knew I needed a permanent nurse there that cared about patients and just cared about the community. 'cause it is a rural area in a smaller area. And so it was super important for me, which now I'm. On the back end of this. 'cause now I have, I do have a great nurse now and cool that's in place, that's permanent.
But it was important for me for someone to be around that, be from around that area that knew the community and knew the population of patients. Because obviously that's, that can be important and that can be helpful. Especially when you're a new provider, stepping into that role in a city and in a place that.
You're not from and you're not familiar with. So there were times where my nurse let's say I was looking for some sort of facility with her being from there, she's oh, okay, this is this we have this facility here, so this may be [00:04:00] something that's good for this patient. So that was important for me.
In terms of just overall patient care. And just really finding someone that really, truly cares about the community and about the patients in the community.
Speaker: There's so much wisdom in what you just said. I love how you talk about that. You're only as good as your team recognizing that we can't do this alone.
And I think there's still, unfortunately I think. Maybe, I don't wanna say more people, my generation, but I think there is that sort of isolationist, it's like you're in this alone, sink or swim. And I think it's really important that you recognize that we are part of a team and that team is accessible.
But you went to, I think, very thoughtful lengths to build a team that was not only gonna be great for you, but great for your community. Trying to find a way that someone would be connecting to your patient community, because that was going to help you connect and also facilitate getting those resources.
That's a lot of wisdom for somebody who just walked out of residency for [00:05:00] real. So one of the things too, that I think you kind of show is that. Just because you're a young physician, just because you're new out in private practice doesn't mean you don't know what's going on and don't know what to expect.
'cause you obviously do. Where does that come from? Where do you feel like you, you started to develop that wisdom?
Speaker 2: Definitely for sure. The Lord, I have to say that from the beginning. But also just my training in general training at kava Medical Care was such a diverse training.
Experience. And so I think and we did so much and we had to command or lead, such a vari in a such a variety of ways, whether it was in the community whether it was in clinic, where it was in the hospital. And so I think having even attendings and mentors.
And residency, that kind of helped that mind frame and kind of that community that community aspect and and how that can be [00:06:00] beneficial. And how in family medicine in particular that's what we do. We we go out in communities, we, we're a part of the community in a lot of ways.
And especially in a rural area when you're essentially the only doc there. And so having that mentality in residency just bled over or carried over into my life as a attending. And so I just knew that, it was super important to have that community aspect of it.
Speaker: I love to hear you refer to yourself as an attending, that makes, that, makes me super happy. Just when you did that, because one of the things that I think very early on that you and I talked about is that and this was gifted to me, when I grew up in Auburn and Went away to school and came back.
And of course when I came back there were a lot of doctors that I had known as a child and as a young person. And my one of, I think my first month back at the hospital, I was in the doctor's lounge and there was an ophthalmologist there. His name was Dr. Wright. Amazing man. I went to school with his [00:07:00] kids and I walked in.
I was like, Hey, Dr. Wright, how are you? And he knew who I was and he, knew that I was back here in practice. And he says, we're really happy to have you. And remember now you're not young. You are a colleague. And as a colleague. You call me by my first name and he held out his hand to me and he said, my name is Emil.
He made me shake his hand and call him that. And I think having that experience made me also very passionate about making sure that as you guys came up through training, that once you were an attending, once you got that degree, that we were equals that we were then colleagues and I know that was a little.
A little weird. It's but you picked it up really well, so I thought that was good. Do you find, or have you found that maybe being a younger person, do people sometimes find that they maybe don't negotiate with you as a colleague or maybe don't always see you that way? Initially?
Speaker 2: Not necessarily with other attendings.
I definitely have gotten it with [00:08:00] patients essentially with them saying are you, like, how old are you? And I get that quite a bit, but as far as, as far as attendings, I thankfully haven't had any issues in that realm. I will say though I did have, I did struggle initially because when you came to me, you were like, I'm not Dr.
Sharma anymore. I'm Lee. And I was like, oh my gosh. Yes, you're, but it, when you grow up or when, essentially. Through your training and you've looked up to your attendings. It definitely, it is a different shift going from the kind of doctor attending role to Okay, we are colleagues now and and. You have earned or I have earned that, that essentially. And so just stepping into that and stepping into that role and not being ashamed to step into that role, being confident in that role because like I said before, like I've worked very hard to get to this point and and just walking in it and and just owning it.
Speaker: Yes. No, I think that's such an, that's so important. And I [00:09:00] feel like you really exhibit that you're, you are, like you said, you're not afraid to own that space. It's like I'm an attending and so my logic in negotiating is I'm doing this for my patients, I'm doing this for my team, I'm doing this for myself.
And so all of those things make such a big difference in how you present yourself. So one of the things that you did as a young person is you were a cheerleader at Auburn University as an undergraduate. I always feel like you had to have, a huge amount of confidence even just to go through that process of becoming a cheerleader, but just also that's a very exposed, very public role and you have to be very confident in that.
You've had a lot of really cool experiences. I think you are very strong in your faith. I think you definitely brought a lot of different things to the table as a medical student and now an attending. How much of that do you feel like has contributed to that presence and confidence that you have as an negotiator and as an attending?
Speaker 2: For sure. I just a little background of that. My [00:10:00] process becoming an Auburn cheerleader, I didn't make it my first year. Wow. And so I, yeah, I had to you're not able to try out as a freshman, so you try out going into your sophomore year, so you would be a cheerleader your sophomore year through your senior year if that's what you decided.
But. Essentially I tried out, didn't make it that first year. Made it through to interviews and didn't make it past interviews. And from that point on I was the coach of the cheerleaders. In addition to the judges like the panel one of the judges came to me and was like, please try out again.
Please try out again. We, essentially work on your interviewing skills and please come back. And the coach essentially was saying the same thing. And so I did. Decided to come back. I decided in that process, in that year of preparing, not only did I work on my skills, like my physical skills to keep that up, but I also worked on interviewing and just.
Talking with people. I remember working under a lady and she was big in doing pageants. So of course anyone that knows about pageants, you have to you have a section where the panel asks you questions and you have to be able to articulate the questions that they. [00:11:00] They ask and articulate it well.
And so I essentially had like pageant coaching, I guess you would say.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker 2: And and just worked on it. And so I think having that, that time in my life where I didn't succeed in the first attempt, and that was the very first time in my life that. Something like that had happened to me.
So it, it really built a sense of endurance and perseverance and and so I'm not gonna let this defeat me. And so I did it and I tried out and thankfully made it that second time and did it my last two years of college. Great experience. Taught me about teamwork and how to deal with different personalities and different people that I, even it, even today, I'm able to use that because obviously I'm having to deal with different personalities and different people that come in and out of the team and like like we were talking about earlier, like having a new nurse and just, you literally can only go as far as your team.
And I realized that as a athlete, as a cheerleader on the team, like there were certain pyramids we [00:12:00] couldn't do without everyone doing their part on the team. And keeping that mentality throughout my career and just that sense of perseverance and endurance because.
Obviously medicine, you need that. There's so many things like ups and downs of medicine, challenges, and I think just knowing how to pivot, knowing how to go through it, learn from it, and grow from it I think that really speaks to your character and just who you are and just.
Your passion behind what you do. And that definitely being a part of that team and even getting to the point where I made the team really made a huge impact in just how I am as attending today.
Speaker: Yeah. And clearly I. You just articulate it beautifully. Clearly, being on a team, things aren't always harmonious.
You do have to learn how to manage other personalities, and you're managing conflict with those people. But the reason why it's so important, and especially if you're talking about being in a parent, when somebody that's, that's a space that people have to be safe. And so the concept of dealing with conflict, so you create a safe space, you literally learned that in a [00:13:00] physical state.
As a cheerleader and you've been able to carry that over to being an attending, and that is such a valuable skillset. I think it also speaks to the fact that so often we're gonna learn that kind of skillset, not necessarily in medicine. We, I. We're gonna encounter conflicts in medicine, but we're pulling from a life experience as well to be able to work through those conflicts, and you clearly have done that with your life experience and made that something that you actually have in your toolbox.
One of the things that we also talked about before we started recording, I. Was that as you have gone through this process, not even just becoming an attending, but also negotiating a contract, you had to negotiate a contract. You've had other colleagues that have done this as well, that you have actually been able to be a helpful CL colleague.
Mentor to other people in your age group because you had to learn how to do those things. So tell us a little bit about what you had to do in terms of negotiating your contracts and how you were able to share what you learned with other [00:14:00] people of your same, at the same level in their career.
Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think, for One of the biggest things that I could have done, especially with it, it being a new process for me was obviously well for me was reach out to people that literally had done it right before right before I had done it. And that, that way I was able to ask.
About salary and I was able to ask about what should I even ask? And I was able to ask about things that should be included in the contract. And about just hours, what makes you a full-time employee versus like, how many hours do you have to work to be a full-time employee versus not?
Yeah. And so I think just collect, collecting that data really gave me a good baseline of. How to go about applying and how to go about even what questions to ask. Because a lot of times when you're applying to hospital systems or clinics, it's a business. You have to also think about it in that sense as well.
And so [00:15:00] you only know yourself the people that you're applying for, they have their idea in their head, and you of course have your idea in your head on. Your work life balance and what you see yourself and how you see yourself as a attending, and so really just getting that.
Good baseline. Going into the job search was huge for me. And then another thing that was huge for me was getting a attorney particularly a a medical contract attorney because that is different from any other attorney that you may get. I think that was huge for me, especially I was looking at a hospital system and it was things that he pointed out in the contract that I would have never even thought of or even thought that was the issue.
He's Hey, like you need to make sure it says this and you need to make sure it has this in it. And I sat down with him and I did that purposely. Everyone does not do that, but I wanted to [00:16:00] sit down with him because I wanted to. Pick his brain about what he looks at when he goes through a contract.
Wow. And that way when, whenever I didn't have access to him or I didn't wanna necessarily pay to have him look over my contracts, I at least knew for myself what exactly to look for when I'm going through a contract. Because obviously. As you grow in your career, there's gonna be different contracts and different seasons of your life where you eventually may not stay at the clinic or hospital that you originally started with.
And so obviously when you switch locations or jobs, there's contracts involved. And so I knew I wanted to have a good baseline on. Okay. Let me think. Like a medical medical contract lawyer. Like how do you think? And just pick those nuggets up as I went through the process. So that was huge for me.
And then of course, having mentors like Lee when I, when [00:17:00] I would get ready to go in for a interview or a site visit, I would ask or call her, and just be. What should I ask? And what are the things that that you would ask, or what are the things you asked when you were going through it?
And all those, I guess data, da data collections and data points. I would call, I was able to really hone in and just really go into the negotiation. Like a boss, I would say yes, because I had so much, I had so much confidence because I had people before me and and I had lawyers, and I had, so I had a good backing behind me to, to the point where I knew that I couldn't be.
Essentially mess with Love it. Because Yeah, because I had that confidence.
Speaker: That is beautiful. It's beautiful on so many levels. You took this process of negotiation, which I think is terrifying for a lot of people and. Instead of looking at this process saying, this is really scary.
I'm a young doctor, and there's a lot going on, and I don't know, you [00:18:00] literally made it an opportunity that you were gonna educate yourself. You're right. Not everybody goes to that step of actually sitting down with contracts attorney. It's I. Teach me I wanna know what you're looking for. And not only did that give you, like you said, data points going into it and also building data that you'll, use later on in, in your career.
But you literally walked in there feeling like you had. 10 people behind you. You were not, the angels, the attorneys, all the people that were walking behind you, you literally walked into that and you had your crown on going, I know what I'm doing, I know what I'm worth, and I know what I'm asking for, and that's why I can walk into this negotiation with confidence and I.
I think that's so important because a lot of times, especially as women, sometimes when we're talking about negotiating, I think sometimes we're afraid to exercise that boss level. We're afraid to walk in there and really own that, and because of all the work that you put into, but also 'cause [00:19:00] of who you are and knowing who you are, you were able to walk in there and be so confident in that process, and I am sure that energy resonated, that they were not only okay.
She knows she, we are, we're right. We're not gonna mess with her because she knows exactly what she's talking about. And I think that not only being an informed voice, but the other thing I love about when you start talking about how you're negotiating. You want people in your clinic that you know are part of the community, that you are negotiating from that place truly, that you care about your patients.
The place that you're negotiating from, it's not just for you, it's for them. And I think that makes you even more powerful when you walk into that negotiation. It's it's not just about the money and the hours. It really is so much more than that, and I think that is one of the things as doctors, when we're walking into any kind of negotiating or conflict situation, we have to put the first things first.
I think clearly you do, and that just gives you that extra as that extra little bit [00:20:00] of I, I'm here and I know what I'm doing and I think that's amazing. Also too, I think one of the things that you just talked about, which is so important walking into negotiations, is that for most. Young physicians rolling out into private practice, their first job is not gonna be their only job.
That they are probably at some point going to change locations, change clinics, change hospitals, and so that negotiation process is ongoing. So you're taking that data with you. Was there anything that you, as going through the negotiation process, was there anything that you really felt like you had to not necessarily fight for?
But things that you had to say, this is a non-negotiable and I have to have it.
Speaker 2: Yes. Having my Fridays, I, I'm off on Fridays and I had to fight for that. One of the places that I was looking at, they originally told me like yes, Fridays we could get you Fridays. But then as I started going through the process and okay.
Then it went from maybe we may not be able to give you [00:21:00] Fridays. And I remember having the conversation like. The physician that's there have Fridays off, so i, I essentially questioned that. And so definitely fighting for the, for my hours, for the amount of hours that I work, was a huge thing. And then of course, salary was a, was another just trying to, get in a heavy spot as far as salary. And I think part of, what pushed that for me was having my attorney, obviously he reviews so many different contracts and he knows essentially what most people come out with as new attendings as opposed to if you've been doing it for a while as opposed to, just the different levels that you may be in in your career. And just speaking with him and just saying, Hey, what do you think about that? And him just, and I was so grateful for this. He was super honest. Hey, like I I think this may be a little bit low.
And so you should try to. Push for this or push for that. And that was huge for me and one of the things that I had to negotiate as well. So hours and then my salary.
Speaker: Yeah. I'm really proud of you for not. Letting [00:22:00] that go, that you respected your hours, respected your boundaries.
It's Nope I want my Fridays. I think that's, I'm so proud of you for doing that. And also too kudos to your attorney for pointing out. It's Hey, this is not market value for physicians doing what you're doing. And I think that's also data. Like you said, you found data points, you knew what you were talking about before you walked in there.
And I think that's a big part of negotiation of anything is that you really do wanna walk in there with all of the knowledge that you have and understanding that part of getting that knowledge is talking to different people, looking at different sources. I know of one physician who was employed, she's a pediatrician, and she was employed and.
She was getting paid and she knew that her salary was not commensurate with the market value in her part of the world. So she went to the MGMA website and looked at pediatricians in the southeast and what their market salary was, and all she did was she wrote it down and walked into her. The [00:23:00] physician who owned the practice walked into his office and just said.
That is the going salary for a pediatrician in this part of the world. And at that point he said, okay, and he gave her a raise. So having that kind of knowledge before you walk into any kind of negotiation just makes you, puts you in a position where you are able to negotiate. Because sometimes you can walk in there and not be able to, if you walk in there with no data and you're saying, I want Fridays and I want this salary.
Okay. What justifies that? That's hard. You already have to have those answers in your head 'cause you know they're coming and you clearly had done that. You had done your homework before you walked in there. And I think that's incredible. I think that's so cool. One of the things also too, and I think it's worth mentioning is that being women in medicine who are young.
Who are women of color, that it does put us in a position that we have to be even more confident in what we're talking [00:24:00] about. I still, I remember being a medical student and a young doctor of people's are you the nurse? I'm the physician. I. And the first few times it happens to you, you're kinda like, and then after that it's no. You start to own that space. And I think the more you do that you own that space and you are comfortable in your skin in that role. I think it comes, I think it comes with time and clearly you are on the fast track to doing it. 'cause look at you. It's so cool.
It's so cool. As you go forward, you're urging practice, you're about to finish. Have, how long have you been in Lynette now in practice? Almost a year. It'll be a year in September. Okay. Okay. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. What do you think is the biggest thing, if you had to negotiate this contract all over again, is there anything you would've done differently?
Speaker 2: I'm like thinking it through now. Yeah. I honestly. Honestly, I'm at such a sweet spot that I don't think I would've, I think Nice. And I think I went into the process like Unapologetic because yes, I, because I earned it. I, and I knew that, and I walked into the room as if I [00:25:00] earned it. Yes. And and like you said before, like just knowing who I am and like, like whose I am, like.
I I own that. And so yeah, I don't think I would have I feel like I'm getting. Everything that I envisioned going through the contract, I feel like that's what I, that's what I'm receiving right now. Yeah. And I'm at a great place. I'm surrounded by great, a great team and great people.
Like even I, I even think about the dental side, like even. With the dentist and his staff and it's just overall a great place for me. And so I, I really, I wish I had something that I could say
Speaker: huh but I think it's great that you don't, because again, that is a testament to how prepared you were going into the negotiation because that's how much time and mental effort you put into knowing what you wanted.
And I also, I love this and I think this is something that's so important for all of us going into any kind of negotiation. What do you want? 'cause I think sometimes we can be very vague. About what we think we want. We haven't [00:26:00] actually defined, I know I want X and sometimes it's not. It's more than, I want a day off.
It's more than a salary. It's I want to work with this team. I want to work in this location. I want to do X procedures. I want to do, I want access to X Tech. For me to be able to see these patients well. If we don't literally sit down and spend time with ourselves about what do I actually want, because I'm not sure that's a question.
Sometimes as doctors, we always ask ourselves, I. We, we get out there, we do the work. We want the patients to be happy, we want them to be well taken care of. We wanna do everything we can to help them. But sometimes asking that question of what we want is not always a question we're good at asking. So I love the fact that you ask that question.
What do I want? Like I said, you know who you are. You know whose you are, but you. Literally thought about what your non-negotiables were and we're very crystal clear about that. And I [00:27:00] think that's why you can be here today and say there's not anything else I would've negotiated. Because you knew what you wanted going into it.
I think you are. I. First of all, I'm just a fan. I'm a fan of yours. I am so proud of you. Just it gives me just the warm glow to see you out there doing things and just being a wonderful doctor just makes me so happy. But if I was possible for me to be more proud of you, I am right now because you really did Anisha.
You walked into this. Prepared, knowledgeable with your heart in the right place and with your head with the right data. And because of that, you walked out of that negotiation with a job and a workplace that you genuinely seem to enjoy. And I don't think there's any other way you would've done that if you hadn't actually done every single part of what you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And Lee, I wanna mention this too. So I. I did not go right into the workforce when I finished residency. And I think [00:28:00] for me, that was super, I took about two months off. And I would highly encourage that if you have the financial freedom and the ability to do that. Yeah.
Because that allowed me to get all my ducks in a row and to do my own research and. Learn what it is I actually wanted. And I didn't feel that pressure of okay, I have to sign this contract right here, right now. I allowed myself to have that time and that space to really dive into.
Opportunities. And so I had opportunities and so I got a chance to compare those opportunities and the pros and cons of working in this place versus that place. And I think too you mentioned about like stepping into knowing what you want and everything, like as a attending, in residency, a lot of times you just put your head down and you do what you have to do and a lot of times you don't necessarily think through what it is you want or how you want to practice as a provider because it is a lot of times, [00:29:00] in some cases, different than maybe your attendings at the time.
And really. Just reframing that mindset once you become a attending that, Hey, I'm not a resident anymore, so there are things that I don't have to do, or there are certain, things that I may not want to do in my practice and just like common self-aware in that and things that you're comfortable with doing and taking that into the negotiation.
Yeah. Process. But for me, just having that time to do that was huge for me.
Speaker: That is great advice. That is so awesome that you conscientiously took time to actually focus on that. And you're right. If you're going straight from residency to private practice, your brain's not always gonna be in a space that you actually can do that.
So it's beautiful that you structure that in that way. So awesome. Anisha, thank you so much for being on the podcast. This has been. Fantastic. You really and truly everything that you have done [00:30:00] through this process, with the way you've negotiated and how you prepared yourself for this is gonna be a huge help to a lot of young physicians going out into practice.
So thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me, and I adore you so much. So thanks. Thanks for all that you do.
Speaker: Aw, it's mutual. My love is mutual. Okay, peaceful Warriors, thank you so much for being with us on the scalpel and sword. I appreciate you being here with us. Don't forget to like and subscribe and we'll see you on the podcast next time.
And until then, be at peace.